Comments on: UKIP Show Their True, Racist Colours

By: James

James — Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:06:33 +0000

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By: admin

admin — Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:47:31 +0000

Well I think a lot of people reject Western secular society and democratic living – Lillian Ladele et al? I think we be equally concerned about all of them, but also look at the push & pull factors which lead to all of their over-religious zeal.

And I don’t support the burqa or niqab at all, believe me. I just don’t think we have the right to legislate against wearing them. And I don’t think speaking out against it makes us racist in any way. Most Muslim women don’t subscribe to it anyway. Fire away if you want to.

By: James

James — Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:59:22 +0000

If we’re striving to live in a Britain where values like freedom democracy are paramount, then this must also extend to burka and niqab wearing Muslims. However I’d suggest that by the very nature of their dress, they reject the very notion of a Western secular society and democratic living.

Furthermore, can we really be comfortable supporting something that denigrates women just because speaking out against it seems to make us racist by default?

By: admin

admin — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:19:05 +0000

As far as I know religious discrimination law would already allow for schools which don’t want total head coverings for the reason you mentioned to ban them. Indirect discrimination is lawful if it’s for ‘operational reasons’ I think, and I’d be surprised if anyone thought that was unfair. As you say a total ban makes no sense – that some of us (and that includes most British Muslims) may dislike the niqab isn’t a good enough reason to ban its use. Islamophobic bigotry by stealth really isn’t any prettier than its overt counterpart.

As far as your point about France is concerned, I think it’s a great idea. In practice the French system is as overwhelmingly Christian as ours – if there were any way to create a genuinely secular system I’d be the first to champion it.

By: Gordon

Gordon — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:16:41 +0000

Im sorry, but i would just like to know what ‘British Values’ are according to UKIP! We live in a multicultural society. This is one step closer to inciting race riots.

Whilst i am not against them and i do believe it is part of a religion; i believe it would be appropriate to ban the full covering in some areas. Such as in primary schools where it helps the child development for them to be able to see the teachers face. But a total ban?

But coming out with this on behalf of the ‘disaffected white working class’, UKIP has aligned itself with the BNP and the National Front and then gone one step further.
I am white, i grew up in a working class area and brought up christian, but i will admit i am far more offended by large women wearing skirts the size of belts than i am of women wearing burkas. And while i do think that wearing them is in effect a form of restriction, i would never agree on an outright ban.

I wounder if we could instead take a leaf from France. Having a compltely secular system where in the likes of schools, no items that denote religious beliefs are allowed. This way everyone is treated equally and is free from persecution.

I think ive rambled but hopefully gotten my point across